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		<title>By: adammember</title>
		<link>http://www.networkedcollab.org/vles/2009/06/learning-the-basics-of-online-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>adammember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comments made previously. The time and effort are the key terms that determine the level of education but interest and the external elements are also a part of the process. 

The amount of knowledge, experiences and information one is exposed to also has a great effect on the absorption of the new bits and pieces of knowledge and information. 

It is a bit like building a wall. You start from the bottom by laying down the first rows of the bricks and continue to build the wall by putting the bricks together in a systematic structure one by one, line by line. 

Having a solid background and a foundation is very important for the development and for the educational processes to work at their best for the individuals.

There can be a very complicated structure of information out on the web or in the books which can seem to be too complex to comprehend without a specific focus or area of concentration therefore as a massive source of knowledge, comments and data the web can seem to be a sea in which it is very easy to get lost but if there is a clear question or plan of thought to apply to the vast amount of data, it becomes resourceful and helpful.

I think the most effective approach to the virtual learning experience is to keep a specific focus. One can find too much distraction and variation in the virtual environment therefore it can also bring some negative aspects of the thought processes in to play. It is sometimes like going into the shopping mall or the store without a specific idea in mind. If you go shopping without a plan or a list of materials and products to get you might find yourself examining every different brand’s ingredients or trying everything on and exploring the store all day long. Therefore I think it is good to have a specific target or a general idea of what to look for in the virtual spaces as well. 

I think the virtual courses can and do help the individuals to pay more attention to certain ideas, media and information. It is also very crucial to play, surf, experiment and explore new areas of interest that might not seem to be the designated target because by being more flexible and open to new ideas and views one can establish a more sophisticated intellectual capacity. 


Playing, practicing specific productive, creative and imaginative games and exploring new ways to use our bodies and minds expend our vision, innovativeness and imagination. Inventing new games to play also helps individuals to communicate and share better. When we examine the babies or the children we can clearly see how this mental process improves social skills, psychological development and communal advancement through innovation and imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comments made previously. The time and effort are the key terms that determine the level of education but interest and the external elements are also a part of the process. </p>
<p>The amount of knowledge, experiences and information one is exposed to also has a great effect on the absorption of the new bits and pieces of knowledge and information. </p>
<p>It is a bit like building a wall. You start from the bottom by laying down the first rows of the bricks and continue to build the wall by putting the bricks together in a systematic structure one by one, line by line. </p>
<p>Having a solid background and a foundation is very important for the development and for the educational processes to work at their best for the individuals.</p>
<p>There can be a very complicated structure of information out on the web or in the books which can seem to be too complex to comprehend without a specific focus or area of concentration therefore as a massive source of knowledge, comments and data the web can seem to be a sea in which it is very easy to get lost but if there is a clear question or plan of thought to apply to the vast amount of data, it becomes resourceful and helpful.</p>
<p>I think the most effective approach to the virtual learning experience is to keep a specific focus. One can find too much distraction and variation in the virtual environment therefore it can also bring some negative aspects of the thought processes in to play. It is sometimes like going into the shopping mall or the store without a specific idea in mind. If you go shopping without a plan or a list of materials and products to get you might find yourself examining every different brand’s ingredients or trying everything on and exploring the store all day long. Therefore I think it is good to have a specific target or a general idea of what to look for in the virtual spaces as well. </p>
<p>I think the virtual courses can and do help the individuals to pay more attention to certain ideas, media and information. It is also very crucial to play, surf, experiment and explore new areas of interest that might not seem to be the designated target because by being more flexible and open to new ideas and views one can establish a more sophisticated intellectual capacity. </p>
<p>Playing, practicing specific productive, creative and imaginative games and exploring new ways to use our bodies and minds expend our vision, innovativeness and imagination. Inventing new games to play also helps individuals to communicate and share better. When we examine the babies or the children we can clearly see how this mental process improves social skills, psychological development and communal advancement through innovation and imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: DG592</title>
		<link>http://www.networkedcollab.org/vles/2009/06/learning-the-basics-of-online-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>DG592</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own opinion is that whether one is taking a class online 
or in-person, it depends on the participants in the course---students 
and teacher.  If the participants put a great deal of effort into 
making the course successful, it will be.  If they don’t, it won’t be.  
I think it is that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own opinion is that whether one is taking a class online<br />
or in-person, it depends on the participants in the course&#8212;students<br />
and teacher.  If the participants put a great deal of effort into<br />
making the course successful, it will be.  If they don’t, it won’t be.<br />
I think it is that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: HenryMcD</title>
		<link>http://www.networkedcollab.org/vles/2009/06/learning-the-basics-of-online-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>HenryMcD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my past online discussions where I didn&#039;t feel interested in a weeks topic I would just changed the subject. I would find something in the weeks material that related to something I was more interested in and shift into that. Its better than BS and still required an understanding of the original material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my past online discussions where I didn&#8217;t feel interested in a weeks topic I would just changed the subject. I would find something in the weeks material that related to something I was more interested in and shift into that. Its better than BS and still required an understanding of the original material.</p>
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		<title>By: vgomez</title>
		<link>http://www.networkedcollab.org/vles/2009/06/learning-the-basics-of-online-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>vgomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought I would add here that I too feel strongly about posting when you have nothing but BS to contribute. There were times last semester during my economics course online where I felt clueless to some subjects that were discussed, yet extremely engaged and thoughtful towards others. Still, I had to contribute to each conversation somehow to keep up with participation. When that happened, it was clear that I was just saying things for the sake of saying them. I wonder what methods would work better for something like this- where students feel passionately and knowledgeable on certain subjects, but not so much with others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I would add here that I too feel strongly about posting when you have nothing but BS to contribute. There were times last semester during my economics course online where I felt clueless to some subjects that were discussed, yet extremely engaged and thoughtful towards others. Still, I had to contribute to each conversation somehow to keep up with participation. When that happened, it was clear that I was just saying things for the sake of saying them. I wonder what methods would work better for something like this- where students feel passionately and knowledgeable on certain subjects, but not so much with others?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link Josephine!  It seems like that Seesmic software is, in two words, fantas tic.  It looks much more developed and user friendly than what I used in my previous class, so I really look forward trying it out.  And I agree, I think that this will be a great asset to the class dynamic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link Josephine!  It seems like that Seesmic software is, in two words, fantas tic.  It looks much more developed and user friendly than what I used in my previous class, so I really look forward trying it out.  And I agree, I think that this will be a great asset to the class dynamic!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, everyone!  I agree with both of you that putting a posting requirement, well, sucks.  But I also think that it&#039;s a very motivating factor for students to learn and read the material.  I&#039;ve found that it&#039;s very easy to let yourself skim over important materials when you know that you won&#039;t be directly approached by a professor about them.  As long as the posting requirement is reasonable, I think that most students who have read lectures and assign works carefully can find a few insightful things to write about.  Of course, it&#039;s the teacher&#039;s responsibility to pick interesting and engaging discussion topics that appeal to a wide range of students.  In short, I think it&#039;s definitely a &quot;meet me half way&quot; scenario between students and professors in an online format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, everyone!  I agree with both of you that putting a posting requirement, well, sucks.  But I also think that it&#8217;s a very motivating factor for students to learn and read the material.  I&#8217;ve found that it&#8217;s very easy to let yourself skim over important materials when you know that you won&#8217;t be directly approached by a professor about them.  As long as the posting requirement is reasonable, I think that most students who have read lectures and assign works carefully can find a few insightful things to write about.  Of course, it&#8217;s the teacher&#8217;s responsibility to pick interesting and engaging discussion topics that appeal to a wide range of students.  In short, I think it&#8217;s definitely a &#8220;meet me half way&#8221; scenario between students and professors in an online format.</p>
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		<title>By: Atiyaf</title>
		<link>http://www.networkedcollab.org/vles/2009/06/learning-the-basics-of-online-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Atiyaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a really good point Katharine about the fact that Professors do not place participation restrictions on oral comments so why should they in a virtual environment. I do think that the forced participation is stifling and that there are better ways to encourage class participation.  If you have something to say then say it. But if you really have nothing to contribute to the subject matter I don?t think it should be penalized. Otherwise I find myself writing something just to meet the participation requirement and usually it?s just a bunch of BS anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a really good point Katharine about the fact that Professors do not place participation restrictions on oral comments so why should they in a virtual environment. I do think that the forced participation is stifling and that there are better ways to encourage class participation.  If you have something to say then say it. But if you really have nothing to contribute to the subject matter I don?t think it should be penalized. Otherwise I find myself writing something just to meet the participation requirement and usually it?s just a bunch of BS anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: KatharineR</title>
		<link>http://www.networkedcollab.org/vles/2009/06/learning-the-basics-of-online-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>KatharineR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, and I was also thinking about the fact that this is most certainly a meta-class. Good call, Jon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, and I was also thinking about the fact that this is most certainly a meta-class. Good call, Jon!</p>
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		<title>By: KatharineR</title>
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		<dc:creator>KatharineR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also had my first introduction to an adjunct online component here at the New School. Online discussion contribution was a requirement for both Understanding Media Studies and for Media Studies: Ideas, two classes I took during my first semester, and I found that I took far more value out of MS:I than I did out of the UMS forum. For me, when there is a statute for postings that requires a student to follow an inflexible, rigid format such as &quot;post this many times and reply to this many students and make sure it is as least so long&quot; or something of the like, I find myself less willing to post and contribute to the discussion, feeling like I am forced into busy work. 

My MS:I class included an adjunct online requirement, but the professor emphasized that online participation was encouraged, not required. Our professor said it would be a part of our grade, but he wouldn&#039;t be counting the number of times each person posted, which was a good thing, since not everyone was interested in or had something of value to say about every single subject. Our professor &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; require that we posted no later than a certain hour so that he could print out our comments and bring them up in class if he thought there were interesting points to be made that might have otherwise been forgotten. 

I think that when adjunct online discussions are required, a core of students will ensure that the discussions stay relevant as long as the professor allows as much freedom for discussion as she/he does in the classroom setting. Professors do not normally impose a word limit on student&#039;s oral comments or insist that they follow a two paragraph format when speaking, so why should these same limitations and rules exist in an online setting? I understand that this is a good way for professors to ensure and monitor total class participation, but is it effective in encouraging wholehearted participation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also had my first introduction to an adjunct online component here at the New School. Online discussion contribution was a requirement for both Understanding Media Studies and for Media Studies: Ideas, two classes I took during my first semester, and I found that I took far more value out of MS:I than I did out of the UMS forum. For me, when there is a statute for postings that requires a student to follow an inflexible, rigid format such as &#8220;post this many times and reply to this many students and make sure it is as least so long&#8221; or something of the like, I find myself less willing to post and contribute to the discussion, feeling like I am forced into busy work. </p>
<p>My MS:I class included an adjunct online requirement, but the professor emphasized that online participation was encouraged, not required. Our professor said it would be a part of our grade, but he wouldn&#8217;t be counting the number of times each person posted, which was a good thing, since not everyone was interested in or had something of value to say about every single subject. Our professor <i>would</i> require that we posted no later than a certain hour so that he could print out our comments and bring them up in class if he thought there were interesting points to be made that might have otherwise been forgotten. </p>
<p>I think that when adjunct online discussions are required, a core of students will ensure that the discussions stay relevant as long as the professor allows as much freedom for discussion as she/he does in the classroom setting. Professors do not normally impose a word limit on student&#8217;s oral comments or insist that they follow a two paragraph format when speaking, so why should these same limitations and rules exist in an online setting? I understand that this is a good way for professors to ensure and monitor total class participation, but is it effective in encouraging wholehearted participation?</p>
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		<title>By: Josephine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josephine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re in luck! We&#039;re going to be using &lt;a href=&quot;http://seesmic.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seesmic&lt;/a&gt;, which enables threaded video blogging, for some of the class discussions. I think it&#039;ll give you that f2f-ness and richer connection that you&#039;re seeking. Check out a &lt;a href=&quot;http://seesmic.com/threads/RpoFJjdp0I&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;past discussion with guest speaker Fred Benenson from Creative Commons.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re in luck! We&#8217;re going to be using <a href="http://seesmic.com" rel="nofollow">Seesmic</a>, which enables threaded video blogging, for some of the class discussions. I think it&#8217;ll give you that f2f-ness and richer connection that you&#8217;re seeking. Check out a <a href="http://seesmic.com/threads/RpoFJjdp0I" rel="nofollow">past discussion with guest speaker Fred Benenson from Creative Commons.</a></p>
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